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	<description>Life, adventure and faith in south Arkansas</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: it&#8217;s not mayberry &#171; wogblog</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-80671</link>
		<dc:creator>it&#8217;s not mayberry &#171; wogblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why am I blathering on about this? Rural America needs new churches too! In spite of megachurches, no county in America has a greater church population than it did 10 years ago. In a message brought by John Piper in November of 2007 &#8230; he brought out 8 observations about church planting. I won&#8217;t list them all here &#8230; but here is a nice recap. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Why am I blathering on about this? Rural America needs new churches too! In spite of megachurches, no county in America has a greater church population than it did 10 years ago. In a message brought by John Piper in November of 2007 &#8230; he brought out 8 observations about church planting. I won&#8217;t list them all here &#8230; but here is a nice recap. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas Community Church Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Church Plant?</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-34889</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas Community Church Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Church Plant?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In a recent sermon (11/11/07), John Piper of Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis made eight observations about church planting, and they have been summarized here: LINK [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In a recent sermon (11/11/07), John Piper of Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis made eight observations about church planting, and they have been summarized here: LINK [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22647</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB, it's just a symptom of being in the Bible Belt. If you don't have Sunday School, they look at you funny. If you don't meet at 9:45, 11:00, 6:00 on Sundays and 6:00 on Wednesdays, then your doctrine must be off. If you don't have deacons, a personnel committee and pews, then you are not a real church...

Any lover of scripture will see that the traditional church today in America has little to no resemblance to the forms and structures present in the New Testament church. That's no bad or horrible; it's just unfortunate that traditional church-attenders in the South won't extend the same grace to other structures and forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB, it&#8217;s just a symptom of being in the Bible Belt. If you don&#8217;t have Sunday School, they look at you funny. If you don&#8217;t meet at 9:45, 11:00, 6:00 on Sundays and 6:00 on Wednesdays, then your doctrine must be off. If you don&#8217;t have deacons, a personnel committee and pews, then you are not a real church&#8230;</p>
<p>Any lover of scripture will see that the traditional church today in America has little to no resemblance to the forms and structures present in the New Testament church. That&#8217;s no bad or horrible; it&#8217;s just unfortunate that traditional church-attenders in the South won&#8217;t extend the same grace to other structures and forms.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22630</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is cheeky enough to refer to your church as a cult? Do they actually know the characteristics of a cult, or is it just a convenient epithet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is cheeky enough to refer to your church as a cult? Do they actually know the characteristics of a cult, or is it just a convenient epithet?</p>
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		<title>By: Elton</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22436</link>
		<dc:creator>Elton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We got the "cult" tag when we were starting our church in Croatia.  If you don't fit into people's pre-conceived ideas of what church is, you must be a cult.  Instead of telling students I was a "campus minister", I could have just easily told them I was alien from the planet Zarkon.  It would have had the same effect.  If people don't have a cultural context for what you're doing, it seems weird.  AND, if it seems weird and it has anything to do with religion it must be a cult.

&lt;em&gt;Elton's last blog post..&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href='http://blog.conrady.org/2007/11/25/another-hillbilly-president/' rel="nofollow"&gt;Another Hillbilly President&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got the &#8220;cult&#8221; tag when we were starting our church in Croatia.  If you don&#8217;t fit into people&#8217;s pre-conceived ideas of what church is, you must be a cult.  Instead of telling students I was a &#8220;campus minister&#8221;, I could have just easily told them I was alien from the planet Zarkon.  It would have had the same effect.  If people don&#8217;t have a cultural context for what you&#8217;re doing, it seems weird.  AND, if it seems weird and it has anything to do with religion it must be a cult.</p>
<p><em>Elton&#8217;s last blog post..</em><a href='http://blog.conrady.org/2007/11/25/another-hillbilly-president/' rel="nofollow">Another Hillbilly President</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. I had no idea we had so many churches in Monticello! I have to say it actually made me quite sad... how can it be that I so often run into totally ungodly people when we have SO MANY CHURCHES in our little city? Oh wait, that's right, because too many people sit on a pew each Sunday and then leave God right there when they walk out... okay, question answered. Not that I'm perfect (I mean, I'm close... but not quite.. ;) ) but I must say that there's a problem somewhere. Is it the church leaders? Is it that that church just happened to get "unlucky" in its membership roll with people that don't really want to know Christ? Both? 

I must say that twice I've been asked, "You're going to Journey? The cult church?" In a joking way... and I actually mentioned this at our last Bible Study session. I think people think this way b/c, in general, there is something different about the people that attend Journey. That's what finally drew us there after 3 years of refusing to visit because it was just "too different." Wow, different is what is needed, in my opinion! I've had a major soul shake up since that first visit, that is only strengthened by small groups. I really wish more churches operated this way. I agree that with small groups and worshipping in each other's homes, it's much more like what would have gone on in biblical times. And I like it!

&lt;em&gt;Mandy's last blog post..&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href='http://peaceandcraziness.blogspot.com/2007/11/thank-you.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;Thank you!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. I had no idea we had so many churches in Monticello! I have to say it actually made me quite sad&#8230; how can it be that I so often run into totally ungodly people when we have SO MANY CHURCHES in our little city? Oh wait, that&#8217;s right, because too many people sit on a pew each Sunday and then leave God right there when they walk out&#8230; okay, question answered. Not that I&#8217;m perfect (I mean, I&#8217;m close&#8230; but not quite.. ;) ) but I must say that there&#8217;s a problem somewhere. Is it the church leaders? Is it that that church just happened to get &#8220;unlucky&#8221; in its membership roll with people that don&#8217;t really want to know Christ? Both? </p>
<p>I must say that twice I&#8217;ve been asked, &#8220;You&#8217;re going to Journey? The cult church?&#8221; In a joking way&#8230; and I actually mentioned this at our last Bible Study session. I think people think this way b/c, in general, there is something different about the people that attend Journey. That&#8217;s what finally drew us there after 3 years of refusing to visit because it was just &#8220;too different.&#8221; Wow, different is what is needed, in my opinion! I&#8217;ve had a major soul shake up since that first visit, that is only strengthened by small groups. I really wish more churches operated this way. I agree that with small groups and worshipping in each other&#8217;s homes, it&#8217;s much more like what would have gone on in biblical times. And I like it!</p>
<p><em>Mandy&#8217;s last blog post..</em><a href='http://peaceandcraziness.blogspot.com/2007/11/thank-you.html' rel="nofollow">Thank you!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22235</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here tis:
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		<title>By: dean</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22230</link>
		<dc:creator>dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff...

As you probably know, I've had a very keen interest in the house church movement, which I've come to believe best mirrors what the early church looked like, and also offers the best opportunity for low administrative costs, allowing for more resources to be dedicated to ministry in the community.  I'm with you on that whole thing about church starts discouraging bi-vocational models, which is another area (staff salaries) where I believe church resources get pinched pretty badly, leaving few resources for ministry and missions... especially so for a new church plant.  I was recently made aware, much to my delight, that we actually have a house church starting up here in Monticello.  I hope to be able to check it out at some point as my work schedule allows.  I think it's exciting!

If a high church-per-1,000 figure would keep churches out of the mind-set that they need to build a monstrous physical plant (and incur a monstrous debt to go along with it), I'm all for it.

Interesting that you mentioned the "unintentional" church starts in the rural south... it's my understanding that both Immanuel Baptist and Serenity Baptist have recently been referred to as "church plants" of Second Baptist and Immanuel Baptist, respectively (anyone who is not aware should realize that both of these churches were the results of church splits).  I'd be interested in knowing if there are any figures out there that indicate how many new Christian converts are drawn to such church "plants."

&lt;em&gt;dean's last blog post..&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href='http://deancirelli.com/?p=123' rel="nofollow"&gt;don?t buck the huck&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff&#8230;</p>
<p>As you probably know, I&#8217;ve had a very keen interest in the house church movement, which I&#8217;ve come to believe best mirrors what the early church looked like, and also offers the best opportunity for low administrative costs, allowing for more resources to be dedicated to ministry in the community.  I&#8217;m with you on that whole thing about church starts discouraging bi-vocational models, which is another area (staff salaries) where I believe church resources get pinched pretty badly, leaving few resources for ministry and missions&#8230; especially so for a new church plant.  I was recently made aware, much to my delight, that we actually have a house church starting up here in Monticello.  I hope to be able to check it out at some point as my work schedule allows.  I think it&#8217;s exciting!</p>
<p>If a high church-per-1,000 figure would keep churches out of the mind-set that they need to build a monstrous physical plant (and incur a monstrous debt to go along with it), I&#8217;m all for it.</p>
<p>Interesting that you mentioned the &#8220;unintentional&#8221; church starts in the rural south&#8230; it&#8217;s my understanding that both Immanuel Baptist and Serenity Baptist have recently been referred to as &#8220;church plants&#8221; of Second Baptist and Immanuel Baptist, respectively (anyone who is not aware should realize that both of these churches were the results of church splits).  I&#8217;d be interested in knowing if there are any figures out there that indicate how many new Christian converts are drawn to such church &#8220;plants.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>dean&#8217;s last blog post..</em><a href='http://deancirelli.com/?p=123' rel="nofollow">don?t buck the huck</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22228</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did a drive-by a few years ago when we were making a video for us in worship and took pictures of 50-something churches locally.

I'll see if I can find that video and post it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did a drive-by a few years ago when we were making a video for us in worship and took pictures of 50-something churches locally.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see if I can find that video and post it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dean</title>
		<link>http://www.journeyguy.com/the-need-for-church-planting/#comment-22227</link>
		<dc:creator>dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KT...

According to Local.Arkansas.gov, Drew County's population is 18,723.  &lt;i&gt;Just in Monticello&lt;/i&gt; (in the yellow pages, which did not have a listing for Northside Baptist Church which caught my attention right off the bat, so you can be pretty certain there are more that aren't listed, especially if they don't have a phone), there are 23 churches.  I'm sure there's a website somewhere that has county-wide statistics regarding number of churches.  But for Monticello, with a population of 9,146, and the 24 churches that we know of (the 23 in the phone book plus Northside... no wait, make that TWENTY-FIVE churches...forgot about Serenity Baptist), that comes pretty close to that 1920 stat quoted in #5 above.

&lt;em&gt;dean's last blog post..&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href='http://deancirelli.com/?p=123' rel="nofollow"&gt;don?t buck the huck&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT&#8230;</p>
<p>According to Local.Arkansas.gov, Drew County&#8217;s population is 18,723.  <i>Just in Monticello</i> (in the yellow pages, which did not have a listing for Northside Baptist Church which caught my attention right off the bat, so you can be pretty certain there are more that aren&#8217;t listed, especially if they don&#8217;t have a phone), there are 23 churches.  I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a website somewhere that has county-wide statistics regarding number of churches.  But for Monticello, with a population of 9,146, and the 24 churches that we know of (the 23 in the phone book plus Northside&#8230; no wait, make that TWENTY-FIVE churches&#8230;forgot about Serenity Baptist), that comes pretty close to that 1920 stat quoted in #5 above.</p>
<p><em>dean&#8217;s last blog post..</em><a href='http://deancirelli.com/?p=123' rel="nofollow">don?t buck the huck</a></p>
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